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Socially they're a psychotic mix of fright wing theology and left wing sacrifice. A friend calls them and the catholics nascent righteous communists.

That is considerably more polite than what I call them

That's... yeeesshhh..! I... there are no words adequate and I am nowhere near articulate enough to phrase just how... assbackwards ignorant and bigoted and narrowminded and selfish that all is.

*shakes head* I just... it boggles the mind how they want everything! It's so fucking selfish it's mind-blowing!

It's my point of being so past done with them that they couldn't redeem themselves in my eyes if I live to be a hundred

I keep forgetting how different your CofE is from the Episcopalian church over here. Our bigots either grumble under their breaths and do nothing or join a handful of splinter churches, as the official Episcopalian church has had LGB clergy since I was tiny, at least one openly gay bishop who's a strong advocate for rights, same sex union ceremonies since my teens, and trans clergy for something like a decade. It's like looking at an evil mirror world twin when I look at what's going on in your part of the Anglican convention. It's hard to wrap my head around how different things are over there. I jumped ship on theism in my late teens, but I grew up Episcopalian and my parents stayed in to the death. I can't imagine my mother going to a church that didn't accept me as fully human. It is horrifying to me that so many in your country stay silent and let the bigots run things. I'm so sorry.

One of the utter "I'm done with you arseholes" moments for me was the Anglican church losing their shit with the American Episcopalians, jumping up and down in a fury because they accepted gay clergy. Rowan Williams tutted and chided and told them off, the general synod clucked like a bunch of rabid chickens.

And then the Ugandan church decided to go all gung ho for the gay genocide bill and the Anglican church? *crickets* For weeks. We had to scream at them until, in an article about church fetes and pointless things in the Telegraph, Williams included one sentence on mild disapproval of the death penalty. That was it.

It showed up the Anglican priorities

It's honestly horrifying to me.

I think of Bishop Robinson out flogging for marriage equality and raising awareness about violence against us and the cognitive dissonance is just huge for me. I'm used to thinking of Episcopalians as being on the list of friendly religions along with Quakers, Universalism, and Reformed Judaism. It's hard seeing the parent branch being such a force for evil when they could be doing real good. It's things like this that give Christians a bad name and make the religion synonymous with hate. Over here, I fear the Evangelicals, not the main stream denominations. It's terrifying that your mainstream is so dangerous.

It's hard to live with - especially with it being the established church and having it's considerable privileges -including Bishops in the House of Lords voting on my rights.

Barring a few very very fringe churches, I am used to mainstream religion being a constant enemy to any and all of my rights

The new moderator of the United Church of Canada is a gay man - it wasn't even an issue. I cannot deal with how the CoE is so frantic to appease the African bishops and its own right wing that it has just thrown social justice under the bus - anything, literally anything to keep the communion together.

I think it's going to hurt them - extremely badly in the UK. Religiosity is already dropping but between this and especially the woman bishops they're killing themselves

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